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Friday, February 10, 2006

Two Offices: Pastor, the First of Two Offices

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Churches have many different titles for their spiritual leaders: pastor, deacon, elder, bishop, archbishop, cardinals, prelates, vicars, presbyters, presidents, prophets, priest, apostles, nuns, monks, pope, but which of these titles is or are bible based offices? Biblical Baptists recognize only two offices; the office of pastor, and the office of deacon. The office of pastor and the office of deacon are not really distinctives of Baptists; almost every church has a pastor and deacons. The biblical distinctive is that Baptists have only two offices within the local church, pastors and deacons. Biblical Baptists recognize no church offices outside of or over the local church other than pastors and deacons. The so called offices of cardinals, prelates, vicars, priest, nuns, presidents, and pope are not found in the NT. The aim of this post is to highlight the first of the two church offices of biblical Baptists; that is the office of the pastor.

I will make some preliminary remarks as to the office of the pastor (not to be confused with the spiritual gift of pastor*). I will then discuss the qualities of the pastor NOT the qualifications of a pastor and then move to the functions of a pastor, I will round it off with how these leaders should be treated by those they serve. Many of my readers are aware that I am speaking of the distinctives of biblical Baptists and it is not my intent here to do otherwise.

Next post: Preliminary remarks as to the office of the pastor.

*I will reserve the spiritual gifts issue for another post that is in the works even as this one is being published.

15 Comments:

  • A lot of Baptists do recognise elders as distinct from pastors. Are they the unbiblical Baptists?

    If you do not mind my saying so, I regard pastors not as officers, but as those who posess a spiritual gift.

    I look forward to your posting some more on this subject.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

    By Blogger Matthew Celestine, at 10/2/06 5:32 PM  

  • Dyspraxic,
    The historic Baptist position on Elders is that they, along with bishops, are pastors. The three terms in the New Testament refer to the same office.
    Eldership as it is being promoted by MacArthur and Dever, for example, is a return to a plurality of elders. John MacArthur then is called the main teaching elder while other 'elders' are recognized by the congregation as being gifted in the area of eldership, bishoprick, or the pastorate, which are all the same thing with different nuances.
    Pastor=Shepherd
    Bishop=Overseer
    Elder=Leadership (especially in teaching)

    Good post John! Glad you're back!

    By Blogger Jeremy Weaver, at 10/2/06 8:22 PM  

  • I looking forward to seeing more of your thoughts especially because Pastor vs. Elder can be a hot topic. I also like how you noted the difference between the office of Pastor and the spiritual gift.

    By Blogger John, at 10/2/06 8:41 PM  

  • Hi Matthew,
    Yes, there are some Baptist groups that do have three offices in view, however from this Baptists approach there are “lay elders” those who are not formally trained. The church which benefits by both should recognize them as the selfsame office.

    Now, I am a bit over anxious to share more on this on my next few posts if God permits. To be clear when I answer your question… NO! An emphatic no, of course not, if any Christian group observes this principal in Scripture and that is how an independent church decides to structure their organization they are at liberty to do so. Whether they be called Baptists, or any other name.

    I appreciate the time you took to read this and I welcome your comments brother, and I will be doing some other things on spiritual gifts... some time after I finish the biblical distinctives of Baptists.

    Many more back to you ;)

    Hi lord sith Weaver,
    Thanks! I'm glad to be here. The next post will echo your comment... comment... comment...

    Hi John,
    I have regularly engaged in this controversy with my pastor, we have had a great time with it.

    Thanks for stopping by,
    Brother John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 10/2/06 8:46 PM  

  • Hi John,

    Our church's pastor is an elder as well.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 11/2/06 12:30 AM  

  • Hi... can a stranger jump in? :)

    Baptists can have whatever offices they want to have. That's fine with me. Glory to Him, and just "seek him, then do as you please."

    But if you want to talk about what "offices" are Biblical? I don't think words or terms are the telling point. This is: I don't see any man in the NT who had the same job-description as a present-day Baptist Pastor. From 6 BC to 70 AD, from Nazareth to Patmos, I don't see anyone doing anything that looks like a Baptist Pastor.

    So have one or be one, if you like. Follow your Lord in that way, if you like. But it might be a big stretch to call present-day Pastors at all "Biblical".

    I have a site about this, and I'd welcome your input there, if you're willing. It's called NoPastor! :)

    (Believe it or not!)

    By Blogger Bill Heroman, at 11/2/06 1:05 AM  

  • H K Flynn,
    I am honored with your presence…

    I am glad your pastor is an elder that is as it should be, amen.

    Hi Hero Bill,
    Welcome, and thanks for your comments here.

    There is a certainty that some things may be culturally conditioned from 6 BC to 70 AD I don't see anyone doing anything that looks like a driving a car or using a laptop, and you may find a comrade or two here at the Earnest Contender. Other things are not culturally conditioned and many (not just Baptists) have seen them plainly taught in Scripture. I invite you to read the next couple of posts on this topic. (Believe it or not!)

    brother John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 11/2/06 8:18 AM  

  • Hi John

    I'm Looking forward in seeing the rest of your writing. Thank you for sharing your knowlege to all of us.

    Doug

    By Blogger forgiven, at 11/2/06 3:18 PM  

  • Hi Doug,
    Thanks stopping by!

    Bring a thimble back with you; if I work hard at it I might be able to fill it.

    Your kind words are valued, thanks.

    brother John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 11/2/06 5:24 PM  

  • Welcome back John. I too look forward to your understanding on this subject. It's a hot topic but I'm sure up to the task! ;-)

    By Blogger Kc, at 11/2/06 6:10 PM  

  • I am an elder by virtue of my age, but not by virtue of my office, which is Worship Leader and Director of Education.

    I don't know where I fall officially Biblically.

    But I am glad you are back!

    By Blogger Joe, at 11/2/06 7:46 PM  

  • KC: hi,
    Thanks for being up to the task, I'm sure it will become quite interesting, and maybe even controversial at times.

    Joe,
    Thanks for honoring me with your comment. I am sure your congregation is blessed with the functions that you perform. You are an elder, not by virtue of your age, but by virtue of your maturity. (not to disagree with you, but to respect you!)

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 11/2/06 10:03 PM  

  • I don't know what "culturally conditioned" means...

    But I'll keep reading yours if you go look at mine! :)

    Thanks for your graciousness!

    By Blogger Bill Heroman, at 12/2/06 1:57 AM  

  • Look forward to reading more, John!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12/2/06 2:47 AM  

  • Hi Hero Bill,

    I have read your post mentioned above… now at your prompting… I have left a comment as well. I don’t mind saying that I can understand why you don’t think being or having a pastor is biblical. I have found your take on this issue to be interesting. Knowing Jesus and keeping Him in the center of one’s life is the most important objective. This is accomplished vertically by reading the Word and prayer. … and horizontally through fellowship of the saints and witnessing to others of the good news. The best expression of fellowship with other saints is found in a local church.

    Hey Bobby,
    Thanks for stopping by! I am looking forward to further comments.

    brother John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 12/2/06 5:22 PM  

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