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Sunday, November 11, 2007

The Last Trump: Triumph or Threat?

The views expressed here are solely of the author who shall be held accountable. Therefore I tremble, yet I am confident to move forward to proclaim the whole counsel of God.

Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. (1Cor. 15:51-58)

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (1Thess. 4:13-18)

What does a trumpet signify? Let’s think it through together. We may not be the most intelligent lot, but we’re smart enough to think. Do these passages seem threatening to you? Honestly? Is there anything in these texts that sounds like Paul is snarling, growling and ready to bite to manipulate the churches into the urgency of living more holy, witnessing, church attendance and giving a tithe? We have other motivations and exhortations in the Bible and life itself for how to live. Telling others about our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, meeting with other believers regularly, and how to handle His money that He has so graciously given us stewardship, is a blessing He bestows to each believer. These have nothing at all to do with when the trumpet blows or the timing of the rapture or the immanency of death. I hope you believe that any one of us could die at any moment, because that is more sure as taxes.

Without doubt holy living, for a Christian, is not based on the rapture of the church. Holiness is our genuine response to Christ’s enduring love and care for each one of us; we want to be holy for He is holy. We want to witness because of a desire to see others become saved and enter into a living, loving, lasting relationship with Jesus Christ whether He takes us home to glory before the tribulation, during the tribulation, or after the tribulation. Church attendance is a time of corporate worship, instruction in the Word and fellowship. When we worship together our hearts are unified in thought and purpose. Worship is refreshing to our hearts, stimulating and sometimes challenging to our mind, and comforting to our soul. It is reported that as Spurgeon was preaching on the topic of heaven he observed a lady die right in the pew before him. “…while I had been talking of heaven,” he said, “…she had gone there!” (I found this nugget in the book Spurgeon at His Best p.53) Giving is a no brainier, it is part of stewardship. God gives and gives and gives, and believers, for the most part wish to give too, even if we must endure to the very end of the wrath of God poured out on this planet.

For one say that the immanent rapture of the church is a manipulative tool for preachers to threaten people into action, is a gross misrepresentation and should be resented, but then quickly forgiven and even forgotten. For a preacher to actually have the attitude of using the teaching of the immanency alone as a threat for action, is unconscionable and should be protested, and by God’s grace corrected. Enough on my tangent about motivation let’s get back to the trump of God.

Trumpets announce that something is about to happen. Trumpets sounded and the walls of Jericho fell. Trumpets sounded and Gideon and his three hundred men gained what seemed to be a miraculous victory. When the trump of God sounds and the church saints are removed from this planet something is about to begin. The day of the Lord is announced. God’s wrath will fall. This green earth will be doomed. Yet, many will come to Jesus the Messiah for Salvation even in the midst of this terrible time.

Paul wrote these things before John wrote Revelation. He was not introducing a new idea of what a trumpet sounding would mean. Every one knew that a trumpet sounding is an announcement that something is about to happen.

What is about to happen? Who will be involved? Who will not be involved? What will be the involvement? What do you think?

John

19 Comments:

  • Hi,

    The trumpets happen during the first half of the tribulation. When the 7th, or last trumpet sounds, the 3rd woe (Satan) comes to earth. Satan enters the Anti-Christ, and than kills the two witnesses, who are then raptured up to heaven. This is the 1st rapture. The 2nd rapture is in Revelation 14:1,4 when the 144,000 Jews are raptured to heaven as the 1st fruits of men (Jerm. 2:3;Obah. 1:21). Christians are then raptured in Revelation 14:14,16 by the Son of Man (Jesus). The Christians are then seen in heaven in Revelation 15:2, and the Wrath of God can begin in Revelation 16 as the scripture teaches and everyone misses. So, the 7th trumpet in 1 Corinthians can be the last trumpet mentioned.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 14/11/07 1:38 AM  

  • Anoymous, if the seventh trumpet sounds at the middle of the seventhieth week, does that not mean that in the second half of the seventieth week the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of God and of His Christ, as it says in Rev 11?

    By Blogger Matthew Celestine, at 14/11/07 4:29 AM  

  • Thanks for the good comments!

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 15/11/07 6:42 AM  

  • John thanks again for the series. I have a great deal to study.

    I hope you and your wonderful family have a blessed thanksgiving.

    May God continue to bless you all.

    By Blogger Kc, at 21/11/07 7:46 PM  

  • Hi John,

    I think your application is right on target. I really like how you state the whole paragraph that has the sentence: "Holiness is our genuine response to Christ’s enduring love and care for each one of us; we want to be holy for He is holy."

    I just finished teaching a series on Revelation at my church. What you said expresses very well some of the concluding application I gave in the last class (but I like how you stated it better than how I did in the class).

    It is interesting because most likely our interpretative approaches to some of the details on eschatology are different. For instance, where you see the Rapture in 1 Corinthians 15, I see that as the second coming of Christ where every eye will see Him. That's because I see the loud trumpet call in Matthew 24:31 cannot happen after the last trump of 1 Corinthians 15 (otherwise 1 Cor 15 is not the last trump). Likewise I see that 1 Thess 4 is a very noisy entrance of Christ (with words like shout, voice of an archangel, trump). This leads me to believe that all the trumpet events of 1 Cor 15, 1 Thess 4, and Matthew 24 are the same thing.

    But in any case, I think your words of your application are right on target. There is a lot in common we share, even though we may take some different interprative routes. May holiness be our genuine response to Christ’s enduring love and care for each one of us.

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 27/11/07 7:44 AM  

  • I agree with Earl about the trumpet call of Matthew 24 being the same as the trumpet call of 1 Cor 15.

    By Blogger Matthew Celestine, at 27/11/07 9:18 AM  

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    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 27/11/07 2:38 PM  

  • Oops -- typo in the previous statement.

    Matthew, it is a great strength of you to be a precise theologian in what you say and don't say. I enjoy and learn from your concise, precise statements.

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 27/11/07 2:40 PM  

  • Do as you would be done by.

    I don't like it when people write me really long comments and expect me to read them.

    God Bless

    Matthew

    By Blogger Matthew Celestine, at 27/11/07 3:54 PM  

  • true, me too... but I have a lot to learn to be concise yet informative.

    Earl

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 27/11/07 5:23 PM  

  • Hi KC,
    We had a fantastic Thanksgiving feast sponsored by my elder sister Cindy. She is a wonderful hostess.

    I have a great deal to study as well. Thanks for reading and commenting here brother.

    Blessings upon you,
    John
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    Hi Earl,
    It's a blessing to have brothers/sisters that disagree in an agreeable manner. I do respect your views on this topic as well as the views from across the pond.

    Here is a question... What are Matthews over all themes? What specific questions did Christ offer answers to? Who were those that were removed in the days of Noah? Why and how does this bare on the day of trouble? Why would it be necessary to make so much noise?

    You bless me brother,
    John
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    Hi Matthew!

    I appreciate you and your comments.

    John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 28/11/07 6:57 AM  

  • Hi John,

    I violated Matthew's good dictum, make it short and sweet.

    Those are questions that require long essay answers. If you're going to cover this information in your blog, I'll be interested in reading it.

    For starters, I think that the disciples unknowingly asked two questions: (1) when was the temple that they were viewing going to be destroyed? and (2) when will Jesus come again?

    I think many Christians in Jerusalem remembered Jesus' words and fled Jerusalem before its fall in 70 AD. That was one of the things that historians find remarkable about the fall of Jerusalem -- that so many Christians fled the city before the Roman advance.

    Then I think that Jesus talks about his second coming (where all the people will "see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" where the trumpet will sound).

    That is my thumbnail sketch -- which makes sense to me, but I can understand how it would not make sense to others. I'll confess, I can't wrap my viewpoint in a nice and tidy package with a bow on top. You'll easily see the weaknesses in my approach -- but I see weaknesses in so many of the premillennial approaches. I'm sure when it actually happens, I'll slap my hand on the forehead and say, what a dunce I was, I should have guessed that, the evidence was all there in Scripture.

    I take it that you view the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15 is separated enough in context from Matthew 24 so that they can't and don't refer to each other in any way.

    I'm an armchair amateur theologian -- and not a good one at that. I enjoy talking about it, and I do really appreciate your application to the subject! Spot on!

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 28/11/07 10:42 PM  

  • Hi Earl,

    You may enjoy this short post. I usually enjoy discussing the in and outs of the last things it is a fun topic.

    Thanks again for your participation.

    John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 29/11/07 6:17 AM  

  • John,

    Thanks for the reference -- I took great pleasure in reading your post and the subsequent comments. I like the attitude you all display.

    I add another wrinkle to your friends in eschatology viewpoints. I classify myself (in the words of G.K. Beale, one of my favorite authors in the area) as an "Idealist" and a so-called "amillennialist" -- which is a terrible name because I hold to a millenniium happening before Christ's second coming, which technically makes me a "post-millennialist" -- but unlike others who identify themselves as postmillennialists. Clean as mud, ehh?

    My comments below are not to challenge anyone, but merely give you all an idea of what crazy thoughts run through my head.

    In a nutshell, I see both the tribulation and the millennium started at the first advent, Satan was bound so that the gospel advances to all the nations (and Christ and the church plunder the nations). There will probably be a period of great tribulation, but echoes of it happen throughout history -- however, horrendous tribulation has occurred to many Christians throughout the centuries that reflect the same degree of suffering that saints will endure during the great tribulation. It could be that due to the "frog in the kettle effect" that we don't recognize the great tribulation happening now. Certainly there are aspects of the whore Babylon in play right now in western civilization where God tells his people to come out of her -- the seductive pleasures of this world, selling our souls to secure the economic comforts for this life (who knows, maybe our credit card numbers or credit scores are a type of the number of the beast). We are to be on alert at all times for the sea beast, the earth beast (the false prophet), Babylon. John wrote in his epistles that Antichrist were present then. Quite possible there will be in the great tribulation the archetype revealing of each of these figures. But again, we could be in the final tribulation now -- many Christians in other parts of the world greatly suffer greatly now and are enduring. It is every bit in degree a great tribulation to them as described in Scripture. I tend to be myopic and miss this to my shame as I live my life of ease and comfort compared to them. I don't pray enough for those brothers in Christ.

    In any case, I enjoy how you pursue this, John. God's blessings on you.

    Earl

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 29/11/07 12:24 PM  

  • the 'rapture ' is a shaky idea for sure.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5/12/07 11:03 PM  

  • So are vague and Anonymous comments ;-)

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 8/12/07 6:44 AM  

  • S/he was asking for that.

    By Blogger Matthew Celestine, at 8/12/07 12:06 PM  

  • ...I agree.

    While I don't agree with the rapture, I see my point of view is not free from problems. I respect those who see the rapture because there is scripture that can't be dismissed easily that would tend to support the rapture.

    (...don't tell my friends I said this. :-)

    By Blogger Earl Flask, at 8/12/07 9:55 PM  

  • Shh...
    Your secret is safe with me, but I am concerned about this new spin on the secret rapture theory.

    :-)

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 9/12/07 4:58 AM  

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